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  • 03-24-2009 2:02 AM

    • Tom@GRIH
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    444 and civil unions

    Is it me or have we been thru this before?

    Didn't we have a vote about 8 or 9 years ago?

    I am FOR/AGAINST 444 the Civil Unions Bill?

     

    • I am FOR 444 and Civil Unions (100%)
    • I am AGAINST 444 and Civil Unions (0%)
    • Total Votes: 4
    • Voting Ended: 6/22/2009

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  • 03-25-2009 12:46 AM In reply to

    • jrgons
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    Re: 444 and civil unions

    Having a driver’s license is not a right and neither is marriage.  You can't get a driver’s license using a golf cart and you can't be considered married if you want to marry someone of the same sex.  Bottom line, stop messing with the definition of marriage.

     

  • 03-25-2009 1:49 PM In reply to

    • Tom@GRIH
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    Re: 444 and civil unions

    Great point. But moreover didn't voters deal with this about 10 years ago?

    I guess what I'm unclear on is what specific rights are they wanting that they don't have?

    I'm all for equality under the law and I understand that you can't control whom you love...

    But I also feel like there are some things in our society that should be/need to be sacrosanct.

     

    TM

     Tom McAuliffe
    Director of Communications
    Grassroot Institute of Hawaii
    Office: (808) 591-9193
    Fax: (808) 234.1871
    eMail: tom@grassrootinstitute.org
    www.grassrootinstitute.org

    www.youtube.com/user/GrassrootHawaii

     

    The mission of the Grassroot Institute of Hawaii is to promote individual liberty, free market economic principles and limited, more accountable government. 

  • 03-26-2009 5:07 PM In reply to

    Re: 444 and civil unions

     I personally am of the belief that marriage is an institution of the Church; not the state. Things would be so much cleaner if each citizen stood in the state's eyes as individuals--on the one-man-one-vote concept. However, there are so many laws predicated on marital status, that it may take as many years as we've been a nation to unravel and wind them down. If I'm not mistaken, one liberty or right that presently does not extend to same-sex couples is Spousal Witness Privilges, where one spouse need not testify against the other in civil and criminal trials.

  • 03-28-2009 10:39 PM In reply to

    Re: 444 and civil unions

    I think Civil Unions ARE a right based on "equal protection."  Why not follow the bible's advice about "render to Ceasar the things that are Ceasar's....."   All committed consenting adults should be able to enter into a civil union with legal priveleges, duties and obligations specified by the state.  If a couple also desires to also be married, that is between them and their religious entity.   If the religion is willing to marry them, they get married but no religious entity is required to marry anyone that doesn't fit their parameters, sex or otherwise.  Problem solved.

     

     

  • 04-05-2009 9:19 PM In reply to

    Re: 444 and civil unions

    I wholly agree with the above two responses that advocate for the availability of a Civil Union that is legally available to all committed couples who wish to enter into such a contractual relationship.  From a legal point of view, the members of these partnerships would have the same rights, privileges and responsibilities regardless of their race, creed or gender. 

    If the couple wished to become married inside of the church or other private religious belief, then that would be their right as private citizens.  Furthermore, the government currently has no power to force a private religion to marry two people it does not wish to marry.  That would not change, and the church that objects to gay marriage would not have to worry about the legal desecration of marriage, as it is defined in the bible, because from a legal point of view the gay couple would be considered civilly unionized as opposed to married.

    One's views on religion and marriage are private and personal, which has been part of the philosophy of this country from the beginning.  A democratic government comprised of Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Mormons, atheists, agnostics, et al. has no business deciding who can be married anyways.  If our country's history has taught us anything, we should have learned by now that the institutionalization of the disenfranchisement of unpopular minorities results in nothing much good.

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